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McVay's Personnel Grouping against the Steelers...

McVay's reverts back to his old self...

He used 94% of plays in the 11 Personnel Grouping.

With 43 drop back, and 21 rush attempts.

Why doesn't he try to mix it up with the 12 or 13 PG?

It just boggles my mind that he is so fixated on the Eleven P.G,

Good teams that have good to great defense have keyed into his system....

He needs to change it up...

It frustrates me, especially when his O-line has trouble with a very good defensive D-line...'

The gave up 4 sacks and 9 QB hits... Goff will never look good with that kind of pressure...

The O-line needed help, and McVay refuse to change up his personnel group...

Then he goes into his WR bunch group set,,,, and the Steelers figured that out on how to line up to cover each WR...

This game was ours if he only changed up his play calling...
94% in 11. Absolutely disturbing McVay keeps doing this, especially against top defenses. That Steelers game went exactly the way the Superbowl did. Personally I'm far more worried about McVay then I am our oline and Goff.



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Also 43 drop backs is way too many against elite pass rushes. No wonder Goff is struggling. Jesus Christ! The guy doesn't even have a chance.



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What I don't get,,,,

the local news media/beat writers don't question him on this,,,,

I say come on,,, those guys have more access to the team then we do on here...

That would be a simple common sense question....

I know when J.B. Long does his show, he does ask hard question but in a nice way...

Some one needs to check McVay….

I was talking with a buddy of mine,,,,

We both said, ever since he lost Greg Olson, Matt Lefleur and Zac Taylor...

he doesn't have a offensive minded coaching personnel to bounce plays off of.... and he seems over whelm watching him on the sideline...

He better go and beg the FO to get Jay Gruden...



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69RamFan wrote:
Tue Nov 12, 2019 1:51 pm
McVay's Personnel Grouping against the Steelers...

McVay's reverts back to his old self...

He used 94% of plays in the 11 Personnel Grouping.

With 43 drop back, and 21 rush attempts.

Why doesn't he try to mix it up with the 12 or 13 PG?

It just boggles my mind that he is so fixated on the Eleven P.G,

Good teams that have good to great defense have keyed into his system....

He needs to change it up...

It frustrates me, especially when his O-line has trouble with a very good defensive D-line...'

The gave up 4 sacks and 9 QB hits... Goff will never look good with that kind of pressure...

The O-line needed help, and McVay refuse to change up his personnel group...

Then he goes into his WR bunch group set,,,, and the Steelers figured that out on how to line up to cover each WR...

This game was ours if he only changed up his play calling...
Thanks. This is truly mind-boggling considering Pittsburgh's strength in the pass rush; and the Rams being the visiting team. Another winnable game pissed away.


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McVay's Personnel Grouping against the Bears....

Finally the bell rung inside of McVay's head...…

He Finally changed it up...

Was it due to both Cooks and Woods were out of the game? Maybe so.

He used a heavy dose of the 12 Personnel Group.

Hopefully he learned from this going forward, especially against great defensive teams.

He used 25% of plays in the 11 Personnel Grouping.

With 7 drop back, and 6 rush attempts, 13 plays.

He used 67% of plays in the 12 Personnel Grouping (Two TEs set)

With 7 drop back, and 27 rush attempts, 34 plays.

He used 2%, 1 play in the 13 Personnel Grouping (Three TEs set)

He used 6%, 3 plays in the 10 Personnel Grouping (Four WRs set)

The O-line was totally reconstructed, with Whit/LT, Corbett/LG, Blythe/C, Edwards/RG and Evans/RT....

They gave up 0 sacks and 1 QB hits... With the help of the TEs

Also the O-line were using a lot of power blocking instead of zone blocking...

This makes a big difference when you have big linemen in the middle.
They can change it up to both power or zone blocking...

With the power blocking, it open up some big holes for Gurley and Brown.... running in-between tackles.

I would expect McVay to use the same Personnel Grouping against the Ravens... it will help especially if he uses to run attack and keep the time of possession and the ball away from the Ravens offense...



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Tue Nov 12, 2019 1:54 pm
69RamFan wrote:
Tue Nov 12, 2019 1:51 pm
McVay's Personnel Grouping against the Steelers...

McVay's reverts back to his old self...

He used 94% of plays in the 11 Personnel Grouping.

With 43 drop back, and 21 rush attempts.

Why doesn't he try to mix it up with the 12 or 13 PG?

It just boggles my mind that he is so fixated on the Eleven P.G,

Good teams that have good to great defense have keyed into his system....

He needs to change it up...

It frustrates me, especially when his O-line has trouble with a very good defensive D-line...'

The gave up 4 sacks and 9 QB hits... Goff will never look good with that kind of pressure...

The O-line needed help, and McVay refuse to change up his personnel group...

Then he goes into his WR bunch group set,,,, and the Steelers figured that out on how to line up to cover each WR...

This game was ours if he only changed up his play calling...
94% in 11. Absolutely disturbing McVay keeps doing this, especially against top defenses. That Steelers game went exactly the way the Superbowl did. Personally I'm far more worried about McVay then I am our oline and Goff.
Totally agree. Mcvay is starting to concern me more than Goff or the o line. He did a lil bit better against the bears. Let's see if he keeps this up. Still, it took him forever to adjust. It is just unbelievable. Like you said, nothing worse then doing the same thing over and over and expect different results. Really disturbing.



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Tue Nov 19, 2019 2:07 pm
McVay's Personnel Grouping against the Bears....

Finally the bell rung inside of McVay's head...…

He Finally changed it up...

Was it due to both Cooks and Woods were out of the game? Maybe so.

He used a heavy dose of the 12 Personnel Group.

Hopefully he learned from this going forward, especially against great defensive teams.

He used 25% of plays in the 11 Personnel Grouping.

With 7 drop back, and 6 rush attempts, 13 plays.

He used 67% of plays in the 12 Personnel Grouping (Two TEs set)

With 7 drop back, and 27 rush attempts, 34 plays.

He used 2%, 1 play in the 13 Personnel Grouping (Three TEs set)

He used 6%, 3 plays in the 10 Personnel Grouping (Four WRs set)

The O-line was totally reconstructed, with Whit/LT, Corbett/LG, Blythe/C, Edwards/RG and Evans/RT....

They gave up 0 sacks and 1 QB hits... With the help of the TEs

Also the O-line were using a lot of power blocking instead of zone blocking...

This makes a big difference when you have big linemen in the middle.
They can change it up to both power or zone blocking...

With the power blocking, it open up some big holes for Gurley and Brown.... running in-between tackles.

I would expect McVay to use the same Personnel Grouping against the Ravens... it will help especially if he uses to run attack and keep the time of possession and the ball away from the Ravens offense...
I really hope he keeps this up. But with cooks and woods possibly returning and the o line just looking a lil bit better he just might go back to 96% 11 personell. I hope not. If he does, I will be really disappointed.



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Tue Nov 19, 2019 5:42 pm
69RamFan wrote:
Tue Nov 19, 2019 2:07 pm
McVay's Personnel Grouping against the Bears....

Finally the bell rung inside of McVay's head...…

He Finally changed it up...

Was it due to both Cooks and Woods were out of the game? Maybe so.

He used a heavy dose of the 12 Personnel Group.

Hopefully he learned from this going forward, especially against great defensive teams.

He used 25% of plays in the 11 Personnel Grouping.

With 7 drop back, and 6 rush attempts, 13 plays.

He used 67% of plays in the 12 Personnel Grouping (Two TEs set)

With 7 drop back, and 27 rush attempts, 34 plays.

He used 2%, 1 play in the 13 Personnel Grouping (Three TEs set)

He used 6%, 3 plays in the 10 Personnel Grouping (Four WRs set)

The O-line was totally reconstructed, with Whit/LT, Corbett/LG, Blythe/C, Edwards/RG and Evans/RT....

They gave up 0 sacks and 1 QB hits... With the help of the TEs

Also the O-line were using a lot of power blocking instead of zone blocking...

This makes a big difference when you have big linemen in the middle.
They can change it up to both power or zone blocking...

With the power blocking, it open up some big holes for Gurley and Brown.... running in-between tackles.

I would expect McVay to use the same Personnel Grouping against the Ravens... it will help especially if he uses to run attack and keep the time of possession and the ball away from the Ravens offense...
I really hope he keeps this up. But with cooks and woods possibly returning and the o line just looking a lil bit better he just might go back to 96% 11 personell. I hope not. If he does, I will be really disappointed.
He needs to keep it balance,,,

Mix it up,,,, and play to what the defense is giving him....

Play to their weakness....



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McVay's Personnel Grouping against the Ravens

He used the 11 personnel grouping 99% of the time....
39 passing / drop back
8 running

His game plan was a total debacle, once he got behind, he had no choice but to pass the ball....

He had a chance in the beginning of the game to use other groupings but he didn't use any other... We should of match the Ravens game plan by running the ball with 12 and 13 personnel grouping.

The Defense didn't help either....

The Ravens just ran it down our throats....

The Ravens offensive line are very good, they double teams on the inside and just ran the ball using our LBers….

Personally, I would of used a four/three defense...

With AD, SJD, Gaines, Brockers on the front line,

Using Fowler, Matthews and Littleton in the LBer crew

With Ramsey, Weddle, Rapp and Hill in the back end..

With NRC as the nickel...

Just my two cents on that game...



McVay's Personnel Grouping against the Cards

His game plan, he used the 11 personnel grouping at 51% with using 12 Personnel Grouping at 20%

45 pass attempts.
30 run attempts.
A balance attack....

The difference in using the 11 personnel grouping,,,
McVay took a page out of his Grandfather's playbook using Walsh's playbook....

instead of looking for the deep routes, he did a lot of underneath stuff, crossing routes, using the TEs, and rolling out his QB. This helped out the OL with getting the ball out of his hands quickly... and giving it to his skilled play makers....


The next game against the Hags....

TE Blanton was signed off the PS to the 53...
Hopefully he will be active on game day...
And we use a heavy dose of 12 and 13 personnel grouping..



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McVay's Personnel Grouping against the Ravens

He used the 11 personnel grouping 99% of the time....
39 passing / drop back
8 running

His game plan was a total debacle, once he got behind, he had no choice but to pass the ball....

He had a chance in the beginning of the game to use other groupings but he didn't use any other... We should of match the Ravens game plan by running the ball with 12 and 13 personnel grouping.

The Defense didn't help either....

The Ravens just ran it down our throats....

The Ravens offensive line are very good, they double teams on the inside and just ran the ball using our LBers….

Personally, I would of used a four/three defense...

With AD, SJD, Gaines, Brockers on the front line,

Using Fowler, Matthews and Littleton in the LBer crew

With Ramsey, Weddle, Rapp and Hill in the back end..

With NRC as the nickel...

Just my two cents on that game...



McVay's Personnel Grouping against the Cards

His game plan, he used the 11 personnel grouping at 51% with using 12 Personnel Grouping at 20%

45 pass attempts.
30 run attempts.
A balance attack....

The difference in using the 11 personnel grouping,,,
McVay took a page out of his Grandfather's playbook using Walsh's playbook....

instead of looking for the deep routes, he did a lot of underneath stuff, crossing routes, using the TEs, and rolling out his QB. This helped out the OL with getting the ball out of his hands quickly... and giving it to his skilled play makers....


The next game against the Hags....

TE Blanton was signed off the PS to the 53...
Hopefully he will be active on game day...
And we use a heavy dose of 12 and 13 personnel grouping..
Thanks for posting these. Drastic difference is offensive philosophy between the Ravens and Cardinals game.



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thanks for posting these stats 69!



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Kupp got less playing time. I guess he is the loser in this.
Might be good for Goff. He tends to lock in on Cupp

Snap count with all of the main skill players.

Pretty balance except for the bottom three...

If they keep a balance, other defensive team won't know who to key on....

Brandin Cooks
WR
59
78%

Robert Woods
WR
58
76%

Gerald Everett
TE
56
74%

Tyler Higbee
TE
49
64%

Cooper Kupp
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47
62%

Todd Gurley
RB
46
61%

Darrell Henderson
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26
34%

Josh Reynolds
WR
19
25%

Johnny Mundt
TE
16
21%
WTF? I feel like I'm in calculus class!



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I really think the coaching/game plan/adjustments/stat crunching will make the difference- especially when you have the quality team and players as the Rams have. I want the organization to fixate on this and interview people in order to run these games with the right and SMART data in real time. We need guys in the booth and on the sidelines and in the film room who can do the math and analysis to win games. I really do think it will pay dividends to get more of an outsider view of Football...sort of like the Billy Bean method. This is a real dorky post, but my point is...Wade needs to go and get the new blood in there to help McVay.


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McVay's Personnel Grouping Against the Hags at Home...

McVay gave the Hags a heavy dose of 12.... Yeah baby... :D :D :D


11 Personnel 30% / 20 plays, 19 drop backs and 1 run.

12 Personnel 67% /45 plays, 11 drop backs and 34 run...

10 Personnel 3% / 2 plays 2 drop backs

Well balance in passing/Running... 32 pass att / 34 run att

We need to do the same to the Cowgurls…..



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Hey 69 do you have these stats for the Dallas game?



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McVay's Personnel Grouping at the Cowgurls...

McVay gave the CG's a heavy dose of 11 PG....

Yep, that's right folks,,, He is soo fixated on the 11PG...
Seems that he can't let it go...

We don't have the power offensive line,,, so we need help by schemes...

11 Personnel 96% / 64 plays, 52 drop backs and 12 run.

12 Personnel 3% /2 plays, 0 drop backs and 2 run...

10 Personnel 1% / 1 plays 1 drop backs

Well there was no balance in passing/Running...53 pass att/14 run att

This was do to once again a poor start and getting behind real quick.
No Holes for Gurley to run through.... with out those extra TE's the Linemen can't get those double team blocking...

Especially the CGs having eight men in the box...

We needed to do the same thing that we done with the Hags…..

McVay blew our chances to make the playoffs...

Ppl like to blame Goff,,,, but it all starts with the play calling.....

When McVay knows that our line is not that great,,,, and ppl jump the idea that we had a good young O-line after we beat up on the Hags...
Well they had help by using the 12PG...

Against the Hags,,, he was using a heavy dose of the 12PG,,,,, in which it helped both Goff for protection and for Gurley to open up holes....
With using the 12PG,,, Goff was deadly out there throwing darts...

Against the CG's, Goff was rushing throws,,,,, not on target,,, had two sacks and 6 QB hits on him...

Last year,,, I would Make predictions,,, but this year,,, I stopped making them,,,, cause I seen McVay didn't want to change his system...

Hopefully for pride, that he gets his head out of his ass and throw a more balance scheme against the 9ers...



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McVay's Personnel Grouping at the Cowgurls...

McVay gave the CG's a heavy dose of 11 PG....

Yep, that's right folks,,, He is soo fixated on the 11PG...
Seems that he can't let it go...

We don't have the power offensive line,,, so we need help by schemes...

11 Personnel 96% / 64 plays, 52 drop backs and 12 run.

12 Personnel 3% /2 plays, 0 drop backs and 2 run...

10 Personnel 1% / 1 plays 1 drop backs

Well there was no balance in passing/Running...53 pass att/14 run att

This was do to once again a poor start and getting behind real quick.
No Holes for Gurley to run through.... with out those extra TE's the Linemen can't get those double team blocking...

Especially the CGs having eight men in the box...

We needed to do the same thing that we done with the Hags…..

McVay blew our chances to make the playoffs...

Ppl like to blame Goff,,,, but it all starts with the play calling.....

When McVay knows that our line is not that great,,,, and ppl jump the idea that we had a good young O-line after we beat up on the Hags...
Well they had help by using the 12PG...

Against the Hags,,, he was using a heavy dose of the 12PG,,,,, in which it helped both Goff for protection and for Gurley to open up holes....
With using the 12PG,,, Goff was deadly out there throwing darts...

Against the CG's, Goff was rushing throws,,,,, not on target,,, had two sacks and 6 QB hits on him...

Last year,,, I would Make predictions,,, but this year,,, I stopped making them,,,, cause I seen McVay didn't want to change his system...

Hopefully for pride, that he gets his head out of his ass and throw a more balance scheme against the 9ers...
Thanks for these again. I agree as well.

Goff hasn't been spectacular that's for sure. However, it's hard to for me to be too hard on him when defense's know what were doing and our plays. 96% in 11 with our suspect oline against a good defensive front. Makes no sense at all...



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McVay's Personnel Grouping at the Cowgurls...

McVay gave the CG's a heavy dose of 11 PG....

Yep, that's right folks,,, He is soo fixated on the 11PG...
Seems that he can't let it go...

We don't have the power offensive line,,, so we need help by schemes...

11 Personnel 96% / 64 plays, 52 drop backs and 12 run.

12 Personnel 3% /2 plays, 0 drop backs and 2 run...

10 Personnel 1% / 1 plays 1 drop backs

Well there was no balance in passing/Running...53 pass att/14 run att

This was do to once again a poor start and getting behind real quick.
No Holes for Gurley to run through.... with out those extra TE's the Linemen can't get those double team blocking...

Especially the CGs having eight men in the box...

We needed to do the same thing that we done with the Hags…..

McVay blew our chances to make the playoffs...

Ppl like to blame Goff,,,, but it all starts with the play calling.....

When McVay knows that our line is not that great,,,, and ppl jump the idea that we had a good young O-line after we beat up on the Hags...
Well they had help by using the 12PG...

Against the Hags,,, he was using a heavy dose of the 12PG,,,,, in which it helped both Goff for protection and for Gurley to open up holes....
With using the 12PG,,, Goff was deadly out there throwing darts...

Against the CG's, Goff was rushing throws,,,,, not on target,,, had two sacks and 6 QB hits on him...

Last year,,, I would Make predictions,,, but this year,,, I stopped making them,,,, cause I seen McVay didn't want to change his system...

Hopefully for pride, that he gets his head out of his ass and throw a more balance scheme against the 9ers...
I agree. McVays head is way up his ass. Stupid stupid game plan



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Great data! Thank you so much. This must frustrate Goff, as well as Gurley, which might explain some of Gurley’s affect. Remember, Gurley called out Fisher’s offense, and he’s probably wondering why McVay keeps returning to schemes they just can’t execute.



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Great data! Thank you so much. This must frustrate Goff, as well as Gurley, which might explain some of Gurley’s affect. Remember, Gurley called out Fisher’s offense, and he’s probably wondering why McVay keeps returning to schemes they just can’t execute.
It's interesting dynamic to ponder. You know the coaches want the player execute. The player on the other hand could also be thinking...give me something better to execute. In the Rams case I do think its apparent the league has caught up to McVay. I'm not giving the oline and Goff a pass here, they need to be better. I do think though it's clear McVay just hasn't adjusted well at all if any. The over use of a certain formation and personnel grouping is also just a hard concept to wrap your head around.



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Wow. Why would he not come out with the same gameplan he had against Seattle? Is he trying to fool the Cowboys? Defenses still have to defend. Just being ready is only half the battle. I REALLY don't get McVay- these stats are so ridiculous, I am starting to believe Cleveland that this is all scripted (not really). But man, heavy 11 personnel = big loss. Mix it up like a real coach with 11,12,21 formations = big wins. It's all right there in the data. What the F is he thinking? I just don't understand. And when Dallas is running the ball, stack the line/box! Make Dak beat you. that's how we won last year. I remember the pre game posts. It was everyone agreeing- stop Zeke and make Dak beat you. So many coaching issues- it's hard to blame the players alone.Though they sucked big time with bothched assignments, missed tackles and ZERO fire. McVay needs help. He needs a stat guy telling him what works in what situations. Everything from formation, to hurry up, to shotgun, to rollout. Get some help coach.


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Feel like McVay will again go heavy 11 against the whiners and we will get blown out as a result.



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These are the questions he should be answering on post game interviews. I would love to know what he is thinking when he decides to use a game plan that continues to fail- especially when he has a formula that works, yet he refuses to use. Don't tell me the score dictates. It's just not true. The score is a problem BECAUSE of the game plan. It shouldn't be a vicious circle. Score should dictate change.


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Imagine if a bunch of us were to show up at a McVay presser with 69’s data on giant posters and ask these questions. Maybe we’d hear the same cliches, but it’s fun to ponder. And I do think the players must feel conflicted over what they’re being asked to do.

The game plan was also weird because McVay looked incredibly happy on the sideline in Seattle, often smiling into his “clipboard.” He looked like it all made sense, that it was clicking because he “got it.” I realize that Dallas is not Seattle, but there was so much evidence, quantitative and qualitative, to continue with the Seattle approach. Baffling.



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McVay's Personnel Grouping vs the 9ers...

McVay mixed in both the 11 and 12


We don't have the power offensive line,,, so we need help by schemes...
So on passing downs, the game plan was to Rollout Goff to help the Offensive line... in which it worked great in the first half of the game.

11 Personnel 61% / 43 plays, 31 drop backs and 12 run.

12 Personnel 39% /27 plays, 15 drop backs and 12 run...

Well there was no balance in passing/Running...46 pass att/24 run att, especially when we took the lead 28 to 24, on a 3rd and one, McVay calls a pass play instead of a power run...

The RAMs played a good game on both sides of the ball..
But we lost this game on big plays...
Missed FG,
Pic Six
Defensive back to back giving up two 3rd and long.
No power run after we took the lead 28 to24,
especially on a 3rd and one to get a first down and kill the clock...

These five plays took away the good game the RAMs played....

Take away these big plays and we win this game by a large amount...



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