ElAcky wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 06, 2019 8:15 am
Rammer wrote: ↑
Thu Dec 05, 2019 11:45 am
Dick84 wrote: ↑
Wed Dec 04, 2019 11:28 am
She had plenty of in the ground information. An FBI muivaney already made it clear, on the podium, what was going on.
And.. again... foreign policy situations change. Or did you miss the part about it being a new president?
Sorry, nothing changed on the ground in Ukraine that made it go from not needing aide to needing it immediately. Conflict started, they lost territory, their military regained most territory, Russian pseudo troops came in and retook it and they also took Crimea. Then a prolonged stalemate. So why in the prolonged stalemate did she suddenly believe it was crucial to get this aide to them immediately? ....Cut me a break... Yes Ukraine has a new President. The perfect time to ensure that he would take steps to battle the corruption there. I am sure Fiona doesn't care if we throw money at them and they waste it or steal it. I do though. So, I have absolutely zero problem with Trump asking the new President about investigating corruption.
Are you saying it was ok for Trump to hold back the aid so that he could force Ukraine to reopen a case on Hunter Biden ?
Generally speaking, It is okay for a President to hold back aide to get something in return, like agreeing to investigate corruption. In this case I dunno. It's a shade of gray. It was mentioned and then that was it. Perhaps if he followed through on this, had diplomats demanding that Biden be charged before the 2020 election, etc. Apparantly, neither the Ukraine Pres nor the diplomats ever spoke about it again to each other. Second, if it was followed through on, was it specifically for the 2020 election? or investigating the 2016 election? Was it done only for political benefit or not? Nobody has shown me that Ukraine felt pressured, nobody has shown me Trump's true motivation. So, not impeachable. Not even close to big enough.---- Honestly, the Hunter Biden thing looks very slimy and corrupt to me. I think if it was Don Trump Jr. you have would wanted Obama to investigate it.
In any event, this is way over the top. It is abuse of power by Congress. This is what they accuse Trump of. They are worse. Sure, they have the constitutional power to impeach but that doesn't mean you spend the whole term looking for a reason to try to undo the election. They tried to impeach him for something else already. It's so blatantly political. By the standards they are setting every President will be impeached. Come on, Obama had Hillary lie about Bengazi to help with his reelection. Why was this okay to you? Should we have impeached Obama over this?