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So you have to eat your crime rate!!!
It's not bad where Republicans are in charge. But many of those cities run by libs are rat holes. :oops:
Please please don’t make me embarrass you with stats... has nothing to do with who is in government

Please embarrass me. Anybody can dig up stats to prop up even a bad situation...just like I am referring to bad attributes to places that shouldn't be nearly as bad as they are.
But I doubt you'll find worse places than San Fransisco, Baltimore, Detroit, New York, Chicago.
Don't get me wrong - sure, places like SF, CHicago and NY have some "desirable" attributes...but the lib agenda is making these places bad. Homelessness, drugs, crime, gun control, criminal rights, depression and yes - rats. :mrgreen:


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So you think it’s ok for the crazy disproportionate number of incarcerated blacks in the US?
I don't want to get in a racial discussion. i just know I want violent criminals off the streets, whatever color they are. I don't agree with some who think it is the legal system itself that is the main cause of this. There is a disproportionate crime rate and violent crime rate that correlates with the disproportionate incarceration rate. It's a societal problem. We have to figure out how to solve that part.
Start by taking guns off the streets... simple low hanging fruit that is proven
How do you take unregistered guns off of the streets? Most crimes involving guns are committed with guns that are not legal to begin with. We go back and forth. We make laws that mandate longer sentences for crimes involving guns or crimes involving unregistered guns and then a backlash comes. The incarceration rate is too high, too racist, too backward. Then the crime rate gets out of control and we mandate longer sentences.



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I don't want to get in a racial discussion. i just know I want violent criminals off the streets, whatever color they are. I don't agree with some who think it is the legal system itself that is the main cause of this. There is a disproportionate crime rate and violent crime rate that correlates with the disproportionate incarceration rate. It's a societal problem. We have to figure out how to solve that part.
Start by taking guns off the streets... simple low hanging fruit that is proven
How do you take unregistered guns off of the streets? Most crimes involving guns are committed with guns that are not legal to begin with. We go back and forth. We make laws that mandate longer sentences for crimes involving guns or crimes involving unregistered guns and then a backlash comes. The incarceration rate is too high, too racist, too backward. Then the crime rate gets out of control and we mandate longer sentences.
Elacky just look at chicago as your poster child to take guns off the streets. what a joke this argument is. Let's end the argument right now IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN SO QUIT TALKING ABOUT IT. There will be a civil way before this ever occurs.



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Elacky just look at chicago as your poster child to take guns off the streets. what a joke this argument is. Let's end the argument right now IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN SO QUIT TALKING ABOUT IT. There will be a civil way before this ever occurs.
Fuckin EH!



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Elacky just look at chicago as your poster child to take guns off the streets. what a joke this argument is. Let's end the argument right now IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN SO QUIT TALKING ABOUT IT. There will be a civil way before this ever occurs.
Fuckin EH!
people are so clueless.



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ocram23 wrote:
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Elacky just look at chicago as your poster child to take guns off the streets. what a joke this argument is. Let's end the argument right now IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN SO QUIT TALKING ABOUT IT. There will be a civil way before this ever occurs.
Fuckin EH!
people are so clueless.
No idea what they did in Chicago but you cannot look at this city by city.. has to be a national thing otherwise people will just move easily concealed item (like guns or drugs) without much effort.


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No idea what they did in Chicago but you cannot look at this city by city.. has to be a national thing otherwise people will just move easily concealed item (like guns or drugs) without much effort.
BZZZZZZZ!!! WRONG ANSWER.
I mad the comment that libs ruin the cities they oversee and make policy for. So IT HAS TO BE CITY BY CITY!
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Typical lib maneuver - "move the goal posts when wrong about the topic at hand".
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Fuckin EH!
people are so clueless.
No idea what they did in Chicago but you cannot look at this city by city.. has to be a national thing otherwise people will just move easily concealed item (like guns or drugs) without much effort.
Chicago like every other Dem controlled city/state has the strictest gun laws yet the highest rates of gun violence/crime in the country.
It's not a national thing, it's a Democrat thing. Everywhere they are in charge is a Welfare Sanctuary City and there is massive homelessness, drugs, gun crime/crime fueled by unchecked illegal immigration and race baiting corrupt politicians/officials, many affirmative action appointed..
I don't expect you care because you have never shown any interest in the truth, just the agenda you choose to fellate.



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I don't expect you care because you have never shown any interest in the truth, just the agenda you choose to fellate.
And that's the problem - libs don't like to talk about facts and truth because it gets in the way of their race-baiting, identity politics, and socialist agenda.
Sad. :oops:


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Because you can't own a gun in the UK, unless you're a livestock farmer (license still required), knife crime in our country over the past 10 years within the bigger towns and cities is becoming a pandemic.

Pretty much a daily event on the news over here with young people carrying and being killed by knives. London, Birmingham and Manchester being the worst effected area's in the country.

Sad state of affairs these days... Used to be a time that if two people didn't like each other then one would just get a good kicking from the other! Nowadays, there only seems to be one thought process, and that's to knife them with the intention to kill.



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Because you can't own a gun in the UK, unless you're a livestock farmer (license still required), knife crime in our country over the past 10 years within the bigger towns and cities is becoming a pandemic.

Pretty much a daily event on the news over here with young people carrying and being killed by knives. London, Birmingham and Manchester being the worst effected area's in the country.

Sad state of affairs these days... Used to be a time that if two people didn't like each other then one would just get a good kicking from the other! Nowadays, there only seems to be one thought process, and that's to knife them with the intention to kill.
THANK YOU!!!
And this my friends is "case closed".
It's not about knives or guns or death rays from Mars. It's about people doing evil things. It's about PEOPLE. :idea:


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Because you can't own a gun in the UK, unless you're a livestock farmer (license still required), knife crime in our country over the past 10 years within the bigger towns and cities is becoming a pandemic.

Pretty much a daily event on the news over here with young people carrying and being killed by knives. London, Birmingham and Manchester being the worst effected area's in the country.

Sad state of affairs these days... Used to be a time that if two people didn't like each other then one would just get a good kicking from the other! Nowadays, there only seems to be one thought process, and that's to knife them with the intention to kill.
thanks for the info I did not know it was that bad in the UK now. Crazy you would risk your life knifing some dude knowing when you get caught you are going to jail for a very long time.



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I don't expect you care because you have never shown any interest in the truth, just the agenda you choose to fellate.
And that's the problem - libs don't like to talk about facts and truth because it gets in the way of their race-baiting, identity politics, and socialist agenda.
Sad. :oops:
Race baiting, identity politics and the socialist agenda are the only 'facts and truth" they know.



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Because you can't own a gun in the UK, unless you're a livestock farmer (license still required), knife crime in our country over the past 10 years within the bigger towns and cities is becoming a pandemic.

Pretty much a daily event on the news over here with young people carrying and being killed by knives. London, Birmingham and Manchester being the worst effected area's in the country.

Sad state of affairs these days... Used to be a time that if two people didn't like each other then one would just get a good kicking from the other! Nowadays, there only seems to be one thought process, and that's to knife them with the intention to kill.
Yes we are simply not use to violent crime in the UK... but you need to put this into perspective compared to a gun wielding culture... I’ve provided stats in the past... you can look them up yourself .


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Because you can't own a gun in the UK, unless you're a livestock farmer (license still required), knife crime in our country over the past 10 years within the bigger towns and cities is becoming a pandemic.

Pretty much a daily event on the news over here with young people carrying and being killed by knives. London, Birmingham and Manchester being the worst effected area's in the country.

Sad state of affairs these days... Used to be a time that if two people didn't like each other then one would just get a good kicking from the other! Nowadays, there only seems to be one thought process, and that's to knife them with the intention to kill.
Yes we are simply not use to violent crime in the UK... but you need to put this into perspective compared to a gun wielding culture... I’ve provided stats in the past... you can look them up yourself .
People killing people.
A gun setting on a shelf or a knife in a drawer will kill NOBODY. :idea:


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Ants wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:33 am
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Thu Jan 16, 2020 9:59 am
UK Rams Fan wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 7:39 am
Because you can't own a gun in the UK, unless you're a livestock farmer (license still required), knife crime in our country over the past 10 years within the bigger towns and cities is becoming a pandemic.

Pretty much a daily event on the news over here with young people carrying and being killed by knives. London, Birmingham and Manchester being the worst effected area's in the country.

Sad state of affairs these days... Used to be a time that if two people didn't like each other then one would just get a good kicking from the other! Nowadays, there only seems to be one thought process, and that's to knife them with the intention to kill.
Yes we are simply not use to violent crime in the UK... but you need to put this into perspective compared to a gun wielding culture... I’ve provided stats in the past... you can look them up yourself .
People killing people.
A gun setting on a shelf or a knife in a drawer will kill NOBODY. :idea:
Just looked it up.. rate is 5.35 per 100k population or about 18k people per annum vs UK 1.2 or 700 odd people...

Now I agree that 700 for the UK is completely unacceptable but is is on its way down.. I am personally against stop and search as this will lead to social profiling..

Ants, having a weapon with a sole purpose of killing someone sitting on a shelf will never end well


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Ants, having a weapon with a sole purpose of killing someone sitting on a shelf will never end well
Sure it will - you will either never have to use it, or if you do, you could be saving lives (you and your family). :idea:


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ElAcky wrote:
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Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:33 am
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Yes we are simply not use to violent crime in the UK... but you need to put this into perspective compared to a gun wielding culture... I’ve provided stats in the past... you can look them up yourself .
People killing people.
A gun setting on a shelf or a knife in a drawer will kill NOBODY. :idea:
Just looked it up.. rate is 5.35 per 100k population or about 18k people per annum vs UK 1.2 or 700 odd people...

Now I agree that 700 for the UK is completely unacceptable but is is on its way down.. I am personally against stop and search as this will lead to social profiling..

Ants, having a weapon with a sole purpose of killing someone sitting on a shelf will never end well
again Elacky you don't get it. We have done this in the U.S., chicago, and it doesn't work. too many guns are out there and if you take them away from law abiding citizens then what you have left are the only people with guns are the criminals. this is a ridiculous argument/conversation because the 2nd amendment isn't ever going away so stop talking about it.



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Ants, having a weapon with a sole purpose of killing someone sitting on a shelf will never end well
Sure it will - you will either never have to use it, or if you do, you could be saving lives (you and your family). :idea:
It’s a nuts argument!!! Sorry


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ocram23 wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 12:41 pm
ElAcky wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:42 am
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People killing people.
A gun setting on a shelf or a knife in a drawer will kill NOBODY. :idea:
Just looked it up.. rate is 5.35 per 100k population or about 18k people per annum vs UK 1.2 or 700 odd people...

Now I agree that 700 for the UK is completely unacceptable but is is on its way down.. I am personally against stop and search as this will lead to social profiling..

Ants, having a weapon with a sole purpose of killing someone sitting on a shelf will never end well
again Elacky you don't get it. We have done this in the U.S., chicago, and it doesn't work. too many guns are out there and if you take them away from law abiding citizens then what you have left are the only people with guns are the criminals. this is a ridiculous argument/conversation because the 2nd amendment isn't ever going away so stop talking about it.
You wouldn’t be the first country to eradicate guns on a national scale... plenty of experience to draw on...


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ElAcky wrote:
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Thu Jan 16, 2020 12:41 pm
ElAcky wrote:
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Just looked it up.. rate is 5.35 per 100k population or about 18k people per annum vs UK 1.2 or 700 odd people...

Now I agree that 700 for the UK is completely unacceptable but is is on its way down.. I am personally against stop and search as this will lead to social profiling..

Ants, having a weapon with a sole purpose of killing someone sitting on a shelf will never end well
again Elacky you don't get it. We have done this in the U.S., chicago, and it doesn't work. too many guns are out there and if you take them away from law abiding citizens then what you have left are the only people with guns are the criminals. this is a ridiculous argument/conversation because the 2nd amendment isn't ever going away so stop talking about it.
You wouldn’t be the first country to eradicate guns on a national scale... plenty of experience to draw on...
naive elacky. not happening



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again Elacky you don't get it. We have done this in the U.S., chicago, and it doesn't work. too many guns are out there and if you take them away from law abiding citizens then what you have left are the only people with guns are the criminals. this is a ridiculous argument/conversation because the 2nd amendment isn't ever going away so stop talking about it.
You wouldn’t be the first country to eradicate guns on a national scale... plenty of experience to draw on...
naive elacky. not happening
It’s inevitable... just a question of when!


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You wouldn’t be the first country to eradicate guns on a national scale... plenty of experience to draw on...
naive elacky. not happening
It’s inevitable... just a question of when!
like I said before in the U.S., obviously you don't get it, this will never happen. there will be a civil war before this happens.



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naive elacky. not happening
It’s inevitable... just a question of when!
like I said before in the U.S., obviously you don't get it, this will never happen. there will be a civil war before this happens.
Don’t disagree with that. Keep growing the gap between rich and poor... keep dividing the country into Libs and Conservatives and this may be what happens


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It’s inevitable... just a question of when!
like I said before in the U.S., obviously you don't get it, this will never happen. there will be a civil war before this happens.
Don’t disagree with that. Keep growing the gap between rich and poor... keep dividing the country into Libs and Conservatives and this may be what happens
seriously you don't get it. surprised you didn't throw trump's name into this



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like I said before in the U.S., obviously you don't get it, this will never happen. there will be a civil war before this happens.
Don’t disagree with that. Keep growing the gap between rich and poor... keep dividing the country into Libs and Conservatives and this may be what happens
seriously you don't get it. surprised you didn't throw trump's name into this
Look I've lived in a number of countries and seen all sorts of things change which i never thought would..

Trump is just the start of the end... you've been building up to this since Vietnam.

Look at the division in Government, on this forum and in the streets... its growing man.... everywhere people are taking sides... social media is just accelerating things... the centrist governments are no more.. its not left or right with levels of extreme.

I even occasionally agree with you guys but you even shoot that down.


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