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It was a good video....I especially liked the part where the guy talks about the left hand in the "eating a sandwich" position.

Lots of times I compare QB's to pitchers because I believe a lot of the motion is similar and baseball was my sport so it makes sense to me when I can look at it like that. I am now watching pitchers to see if their glove hand gets to that position.

I was watching a good good piece on one of the sports channels the other day and the ex pitcher was talking about the new philosophy is for pitchers to keep the ball higher and tighter with their throwing arm...something I have long believed....he stated it allows for increased accuracy and velocity...he did not mention speed of delivery from start to finish but I also believes it helps with that.

My point is...I would like JG to keep the ball higher and tighter.




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sanbagger wrote:
Sat Jul 18, 2020 7:57 pm
It was a good video....I especially liked the part where the guy talks about the left hand in the "eating a sandwich" position.

Lots of times I compare QB's to pitchers because I believe a lot of the motion is similar and baseball was my sport so it makes sense to me when I can look at it like that. I am now watching pitchers to see if their glove hand gets to that position.

I was watching a good good piece on one of the sports channels the other day and the ex pitcher was talking about the new philosophy is for pitchers to keep the ball higher and tighter with their throwing arm...something I have long believed....he stated it allows for increased accuracy and velocity...he did not mention speed of delivery from start to finish but I also believes it helps with that.

My point is...I would like JG to keep the ball higher and tighter.
I don't see him having any problem throwing the ball,,,,

Cause he has a nice touch when he throws it,,,

WRs like the way he throws it,,,

Cause it doesn't come in hard and they are able to catch on the run....

Too much velocity can make it harder to catch the rock...

Its more about the timing and accuracy,,, and he has it down pat with his WRs

If he needs to throw a fastball,,, I'm sure he can do it, just to get it between some tight windows....

During his NFL combine,,, he had the second highest velocity at 58/mph,,,

Lynch was at 59/mph but look at where he is at? a backup....

Wentz was at 57/mph.... for some reason,,, he looks like he throws a faster ball...

Now if you were to say, you would like to see him get a quicker release...

I would agree... his delivery is a split second slower than I would like it to be...

But maybe that's why he has a softer touch on his throws... with his delivery time....



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Sat Jul 18, 2020 8:54 pm
sanbagger wrote:
Sat Jul 18, 2020 7:57 pm
It was a good video....I especially liked the part where the guy talks about the left hand in the "eating a sandwich" position.

Lots of times I compare QB's to pitchers because I believe a lot of the motion is similar and baseball was my sport so it makes sense to me when I can look at it like that. I am now watching pitchers to see if their glove hand gets to that position.

I was watching a good good piece on one of the sports channels the other day and the ex pitcher was talking about the new philosophy is for pitchers to keep the ball higher and tighter with their throwing arm...something I have long believed....he stated it allows for increased accuracy and velocity...he did not mention speed of delivery from start to finish but I also believes it helps with that.

My point is...I would like JG to keep the ball higher and tighter.
I don't see him having any problem throwing the ball,,,,

Cause he has a nice touch when he throws it,,,

WRs like the way he throws it,,,

Cause it doesn't come in hard and they are able to catch on the run....

Too much velocity can make it harder to catch the rock...

Its more about the timing and accuracy,,, and he has it down pat with his WRs

If he needs to throw a fastball,,, I'm sure he can do it, just to get it between some tight windows....

During his NFL combine,,, he had the second highest velocity at 58/mph,,,

Lynch was at 59/mph but look at where he is at? a backup....

Wentz was at 57/mph.... for some reason,,, he looks like he throws a faster ball...

Now if you were to say, you would like to see him get a quicker release...

I would agree... his delivery is a split second slower than I would like it to be...

But maybe that's why he has a softer touch on his throws... with his delivery time....
I don't disagree with your post....I think JG is a very good QB....but I also think for him to get to the next level and reduce the fumbles he would be better served to keep the ball higher and don't drop it in his delivery.

It's just mechanics and pitchers and golfers (both sports I was/am still involved in) constantly work mechanics as well as QB's.

I thought the OP's original video (didn't watch the others yet) was a good video and the guy brought up some interesting points...he also mentioned the ball dropping (he called it a dip) but he doesn't find it as a big deal but I would respectfully disagree and would love to see that change.



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sanbagger wrote:
Sat Jul 18, 2020 9:07 pm

I don't disagree with your post....I think JG is a very good QB....but I also think for him to get to the next level and reduce the fumbles he would be better served to keep the ball higher and don't drop it in his delivery.
He has already reduced the fumbles, which was a problem for a small amount of time.

(BTW I see analysts praise his delivery without finding any issues with it).

Goff, fumbles lost:

2017, 3 total FLs
2018, first 10 games: zero FLs
2018, last 6 games, + 2019, first 9 games (15 games total): 10 FLs
2019, last 7 games: zero FLs

So out of those 48 regular season games, he has 3 in his first 26 games, 10 in his next 15 games, then zero in his last 7 games.

Looks like he was fine, then went through a bad patch, then was fine again.



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zackn wrote:
Sat Jul 18, 2020 10:11 pm
sanbagger wrote:
Sat Jul 18, 2020 9:07 pm

I don't disagree with your post....I think JG is a very good QB....but I also think for him to get to the next level and reduce the fumbles he would be better served to keep the ball higher and don't drop it in his delivery.
He has already reduced the fumbles, which was a problem for a small amount of time.

(BTW I see analysts praise his delivery without finding any issues with it).

Goff, fumbles lost:

2017, 3 total FLs
2018, first 10 games: zero FLs
2018, last 6 games, + 2019, first 9 games (15 games total): 10 FLs
2019, last 7 games: zero FLs

So out of those 48 regular season games, he has 3 in his first 26 games, 10 in his next 15 games, then zero in his last 7 games.

Looks like he was fine, then went through a bad patch, then was fine again.
To top that,,,

Goff has trained in 2017 and I believe in 2018 also, during the off season with Tom House a QB specialist in throwing motion, he's an ex Baseball player...

He has trained in the past, the likes of Brady, Brees, and Ryan,

Goff has been thinking about his throwing motion,,,

So he is way ahead of us...


"Goff visited Dedeaux more than 30 times this offseason, undergoing physical and psychological assessments and making major alterations to the one thing he’d done best his entire life: throw. He focused on footwork, on driving passes with his body rather than with his arm to create torque, on generating power and efficiency by shortening his motion. Sometimes, as passes whistled by, Dedeaux thought, Oh, yeah, that’s the No. 1 pick."

So sounds like he has the velocity....

Anyways.... In Goff We Trust.... :D :D :D



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If you view these highlights,,,,

Goff's 2017, 2018 and 2019 highlights can compare his throwing motion the same as these QBs,,,,

They all went to the same QB training.....

The Ball starts at the numbers on the uniforms...

Brady





Brees




Ryan




Goff

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2018




2019




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69RamFan wrote:
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If you view these highlights,,,,

Goff's 2017, 2018 and 2019 highlights can compare his throwing motion the same as these QBs,,,,

They all went to the same QB training.....



Interesting post.



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He focused on footwork, on driving passes with his body rather than with his arm to create torque, on generating power and efficiency by shortening his motion.
Shortening his motion is exactly what I have been saying and it lines up exactly with what I posted about after watching that segment about pitchers.....I was not making a point that JG needed to add velocity but that it just happens with better mechanics and it's up to JG when he and how to use it.



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sanbagger wrote:
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69RamFan wrote:
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He focused on footwork, on driving passes with his body rather than with his arm to create torque, on generating power and efficiency by shortening his motion.
Shortening his motion is exactly what I have been saying and it lines up exactly with what I posted about after watching that segment about pitchers.....I was not making a point that JG needed to add velocity but that it just happens with better mechanics and it's up to JG when he and how to use it.

Ok so you said he needs to shorten his motion,,,

But if you look at the tapes,,, he has been doing that since he started training with House & Dedeaux during the off season prior to his 2017 season...

His mechanics looks the same since 2017 to present...

He holds the ball the same way since he started training during the off season... High & tight by the numbers....

the same motion as those three QBs I've posted with Videos Highlights....

He is there as far as I'm concern as far as his mechanics,,,,

He just needs to get experience in reading the defense around the league... that includes McVay on calling the plays and using what scheme and OL blocking scheme to compete with..

Here is an article that talks about this years past draft...
But it gives numbers/stats of other past drafted QBs about release times and triggers,,, Goff's numbers are one of the tops in these stats..

Based on looking at Goff's numbers,,, I feel we have an excellent QB
and will only get better with experience of learning different types of Defenses...




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Ok so you said he needs to shorten his motion,,,
Well...that's kinda the crux of what I have been saying....not his starting position, but tit's he wasted motion of dropping his hand to his right hip that needs to be eliminated IMO.

Baseball pitchers have long been told to get long with the motion...dropping the throwing hand behind the hip, even straightening out the throwing arm on the delivery....but the times have changed and the "new school" train of thought is to keep the ball above the waist, even keeping the arm in an "L" shape from the shoulder to the hand to keep the ball within the shoulders and shortening the motion....that helps with velocity and consistency.

I think JG has good footwork....starts with the ball in a good position....steps in to throws nicely...he just has that one hick-up IMO.

This is mechanics and they can be better or worse from game to game...that is why you will see where he can go 5 games with no fumbles and then 7 games with several fumbles then 3 games with fumbles...mechanics are a work in progress.

Kurt Warner would tend to drop his arm angle and throw more side-arm that would lead to balls getting knocked out of the air by the D-line...that doesn't mean I think he sucked, that means he had a flaw he had to work on...just as Goff has one.



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Sat Aug 01, 2020 2:36 pm

Goff has been training since 2017 during the off season with Tom House, Adam Dedeaux & other coaches in his fourth off season training program....

This season, Goff wanted to improve on his pocket awareness and throwing off different footing positions whether its on his front or back foot, or on the run...

The ability to move inside the pocket and throw off multiple platforms was really important this year on his off season program.....

He worked on the mechanics of how to be able to throw off of the back foot but not lose any of the velocity or take any more off of the arm.....

So we should see an even more improved Goff this coming season...



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